In life, there are winners and losers. And then sometimes you get anAvengers: Infinity War, who plays both sides of the field. That is just how it goes. Even at something as jam-packed with pop culture icons asComic-Con 2017, there were bound to be some losers amidst all the glorious winners. The thing is, there was something about the offerings this year that made the winners seem really special and the losers really… lost.

The problem with putting together a list like this is that a lot of it is based on perception. If you love Will Smith, you might really take umbrage withBrightbeing placed in the loser’s column. If you absolutely despiseStranger Things(I know… what are the chances?), it might not seem like it deserves all the praise it’s getting as a TV show parading as a 1980s movie aggregator.

Black Panther Comic-Con 2017

All that said, Comic-Con 2017 was filled to the brim with winners and losers. Amidst all of this, one thing was made abundantly clear, people LOVE nostalgia. No matter how you feel about the 1980s, it would be hard to argue that that decade has not made a resurgence. This was never more palpable than in theThor: Ragnaroktrailer, the aforementionedStranger Things, and of courseBlade Runner 2049just to name a few.

However, despite calling this a winners and losers list, one has to marvel at the diversity we saw. Look at movies likeBlack Pantheror shows likeStar Trek: Discovery. Now, I am not saying that film and TV have solved their problems with this issue. I am just saying that many of the offerings, if nothing else, featured a step in the right direction.

Thor: Raganrok Comic-Con 2017

So sit back and enjoy theComic-Con 2017 Winners and Losers. Again, what you might deem to be a winner might be at the top of this loser’s list and vice versa. So much of what goes into these lists is subjective. One thing to remember is that these are only movies and TV shows. And no matter how you feel about how this content is treated, good or bad, rest assured that there will be more! We start with the winners, kicking off with the excellent Marvel panel and its next big superhero in the waiting.

13Black Panther

A big problem with Hall H in the past was that fans gathered around to essentially hear the talent promoting the movie. And then hear them say that there wasn’t anything they could talk about with the project. This was not the case this year and it certainly wasn’t the case withBlack Panther. Chadwick Boseman, Black Panther himself, and the rest of the cast briefly introduced themselves, then they let a clip from the movie speak for itself. Filled with amazing visuals of Wakanda and an action fueled fight,Black Pantherset itself apart. It was truly incredible footage to behold. The fact that it gave us a panel that actually talked about the film only bolstered what was already a strong showing. As excited as we are aboutAvengers: Infinity War,Black Panthermanaged to rise above even that jewel in Marvel’s already sterling crown.

12Thor: Ragnarok Trailer

There was one thing that was abundantly clear about theThor: Ragnaroktrailer, it was better than the first two films combined. Making this whole thing even more cool is how we finally get to seeHulk talk! Sure, it’s babyish but the reason for that has been explained by directorTaika Waititiand that only seems to bolster this film’s credibility. Another thing making this movie pop is how we get a Thor unlike any other we have ever seen. He’s bold, brash and seems to be channeling Kurt Russell inBig Trouble In Little China. Yes, this film is an unadulterated love letter to the 1980s. However, of all the Marvel films that they have on the docket, this one seems to be having the most fun and that alone made it a huge winner at Comic-Con 2017.

11Ready Player One Trailer

Steven Spielberg was on hand for the debut of theReady Player One trailer, and fans were completely stoked. With everything from theTronlight cycles to theBack to the FutureDelorean to Freddy Krueger, this trailer played like the ultimate mash-up. For a film that could’ve seemed like it was behind the curve,Ready Player Oneactually upped the ante for all future VR films. At a time in his career where it seems like Spielberg might be better suited to continue makingBridge of Spies, it is heartening to see that he can still play in the pool that he helped build.Ready Player Oneseems poised to again redefine the way we interact with our media.

10Blade Runner 2049

Going way into the future,Blade Runner 2049decided to be more than a panel. At Comic-Con 2017, they made this thing an experience. As a result they took a world that was already mysterious, and made it even more special. If you are a fan of the original film (and who attending Comic-Con isn’t at least aBlade Runnerfan?), you had to love everything about what Warner Bros. did here. Mixing aspects of VR with elements from bothBlade Runnerfilms, they created a world out of this movie in which you could get behind the wheel of a flying car. There is so much mystery and nuance surrounding this franchise, that there honestly seemed like there was no other way to bring this film to San Diego. A winner indeed!

9Stranger Things

Stranger Thingswas one of the hottest properties at Comic-Con. They debuted a trailer that totally floored those in attendance. By utilizing Vincent Price’s voice from Michael Jackson’s “Thriller,” this show seemed to out nostalgia even itself. The fact thatStranger Thingsliterally seemed to pick up where the show left off just made it that much more intriguing. First of all, how cool was it that the trailer opened with the kids playing Dragon’s Lair only to have the arcade they were in turn into the Upside Down? Or did it? The really cool thing is that our main characters aren’t unaffected by what they went through inStranger ThingsSeason 1. And the best part, with everything revealed in the trailer we still have a gazillion questions about this ever evolving show!

8Star Trek: Discovery

If ever a show made a splash at the Con this was it! Considering that the original three seasonStar Trekcould (and probably does!) have a convention of its own, it was nothing short of epic to see this franchise return to its home on the small screen. The fact that it had been delayed in the past, only seemed to the pique the audience’s generation spanning interest. On top of that, fans also got to see a new trailer that showed just how far this series has come from its days of breaking new ground way back in the 1960s. As we said at the beginning, Comic-Con is great at building hype but not so great at sustaining it.Star Trek: Discoverynot only met expectations, it showed all interested parties that good things really come to those who wait.

7Supernatural

With LCD screens set up all over the Hall H ballroom,Supernaturalfans not only got to see a show from the band Kansas, they also got to find out about this show that literally has had a supernatural existence. With a storyline that seems like it could have peaked a long time ago,Supernaturalis continuing to push boundaries. With stars Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki on hand to dish about the show, there was also a healthy discussion about the spin-off show which features Kim Rhodes. For a series that has be on the airwaves for as long asSupernatural, it was awesome to see them still being viable in today’s ever changing television landscape.

6Avengers: Infinity War

Before getting into the losers, let’s talk about a mixed bag.Avengers: Infinity War, on the surface, was a major win for Comic-Con itself, but a major loss when you go outside the hallowed halls of the San Diego convention center. After showing off the first footage a week earlier at D23, Marvel dropped the same trailer once again for the SDCC crowd. Problem was, after fans unable to attend either convention patiently waited a full grueling week to see it for themselves, Marvel and Disney outright refused to show the teaser online. TheAvengers: Infinity War Comic-Con footageis said to be incredible. Jaw-dropping, even. It gives fans their first look at Chris Evans' transformation from Captain America into the bearded Nomad. Black Widow has gone blonde. Thor meets the Guardians of the Galaxy. Spider-Man uses his Spidey senses for the first time. And Thanos crushes a planet. A major win for those in attendance at Hall H, but lets remember, there are thousands of people at Comic-Con who waited in line and couldn’t get in, aside from the poor bast-ages at home, so it’s more of a lose situation. As those unlucky enough to lose a seat in Hall H didn’t get to see the big fuss. Sometimes you really can win and lose at the same time. Now, onto the losers in this whole scenario.

5X-Men and Deadpool Fans

Did Fox not know when Comic-Con 2017 was? Did they forget that you need to bring it to get it at this thing? Sadly, Fox had to the opportunity to wow people with some piece ofDeadpool 2news. They could have brought out some of theNew Mutants. Instead, they put all of their eggs in theKingsman: Golden Circlebasket, and as a result they ended up with egg on their face. Man Fox, you had all of Hall H and this is what you used it for?

“Let me be very clear,” Ben Affleck said when asked, “I am the luckiest guy in the world. Batman is the coolest part in the universe. I’m so thrilled to do it.” These were Batman himself’s words at the Warner Bros. Hall H panel. However, withBatman V Superman: Dawn of Justicebeing hailed as DOA, and all the other DC Films beforeWonder Womanalso being vilified, Affleck’s words rang a little hollow. This is actually sorta sad. Ben Affleck could actually be very good as Batman. The problem is that he has directors who have gotten in his way. Sadly, Hall H did nothing to make people think his days as the caped crusader weren’t numbered.

Ready Player One Comic-Con 2017

Blade Runner 2049

Stranger Things Comic-Con 2017